I'm travelling for a couple of days, so won't be blogging again till Wednesday. But I can't resist this juxtaposition, for what it tells us about both the prime minister and the profusion of misanthropic deadbeats who've held ministerial office in his government.
The BBC reports:
Asked if there was anything he would have done differently in relation to Iraq, Mr Blair replied: "Nothing. I would have done exactly the same...."
Exactly. The only thing the prime minister did wrong in this whole affair was to make too many concessions to his critics. But it was a practical politician's fault, and it didn't hamper his doing the right thing when the need arose. Much has been made of the non-appearance of weapons of genocide in liberated Iraq, but the problem was never stockpiles: it was the infrastructure to produce such weapons, the credible threat to Iraq's neighbours arising from that capability, and the threat to our own security from the links between Baathist tyranny and sundry varieties of terrorism. One question that was not raised, still less answered, at the Liberal Democrat conference last week was, "Do you believe we have a moral obligation to free the people of a prison-state from an unspeakable dictatorship?" I fail to see how a consistent liberal could give an ambiguous or evasive answer, and given that the brutality of Saddam's regime ensured that domestic opposition was forever fruitless where it was not outright suicidal, there was an overwhelming and unanswerable liberal case for invasion.
Meanwhile, the Telegraph reports on dissent within Labour's ranks:
However, Frank Dobson, the former health secretary, said Labour members were in no mood to forgive Mr Blair. "If they had a vote now among the membership, he'd be lucky to get nominated, let alone elected," he said.
I can't claim this is a cerebral or weighty post, but I have to get an early flight and this might be the place to record my own experience of Frank Dobson.
During the last parliament, when he was once again a backbencher after his humiliating rebuff in the London mayoral election, Dobson announced for no obvious reason to another parliamentarian that he never bothered to respond to constituents' queries, as his central London constituency (Holborn & St Pancras) largely comprised students and an otherwise shifting population. It so happened that I was a constituent of Dobson's, and when the conversation was relayed to me I resolved to find out if his boast was accurate. It was. I wrote to him a dozen times over some 18 months - for I am not given to abandoning an experiment in mid-flight - with the same question (it was about the revelation that a former London Labour MEP, Alf Lomas, had been a declared supporter of East Germany; I sought Dobson's opinion on whether it was appropriate that a democratic party should continue to extend membership to Lomas), and never had it answered.
During the 2001 general election campaign I finally received a telephone call from Dobson's campaign. The lady I am now married to, and who had lately left her native Denmark to move in with me, took the call and was asked to impress upon me Dobson's irritation at my behaviour and a request that I desist from writing to him. Unfortunately Frank Dobson is not a big name in Scandinavia, so my fiancee, with a practical bent that was incredulously-received, asked, 'Who's Frank Dobson?'
In the end this talentless mediocrity was returned again for his safe seat, but with a large swing against him to the Liberal Democrats. Being a fair-minded and impartial enemy of that party, I wrote to Dobson once more to point out that if he behaved with other constituents as he had with me, he was unlikely to be in possession of his parliamentary seat for much longer. He wrote a grudging response, and there we left the matter.
I record this, trivial as the anecdote is, because it suggested to me at the time how lacking in the ethos of public service are many of the older Labour MPs, especially those who have failed to make a mark as ministers. Dobson, Mo Mowlam, Peter Kilfoyle and Glenda Jackson are the obvious names, but there are others. While electoral opinion has turned against the prime minister, it unaccountably doesn't seem to be pressing for his replacement by any of these figures. The Labour Party needs Tony Blair for its credibility, as it will find soon enough once he is no longer there.
What about if the question is: "Do you believe we ALWAYS have a moral obligation to free the people of a prison-state from an unspeakable dictatorship?" Although pro-war myself, I think this was the unspoken question worrying many of the more coherent anti-war protesters.
Posted by: ilana | September 29, 2003 at 10:24 AM
Dobson was on Breakfast with Frost yesterday grinning broadly that his government's disgusting plans to discriminate against the children of parents who buy the best education they can for their kids - and therefore leave more unused resources in the state sector for everyone else - were now having to give up their hopes of getting their kids a top class education because they knew that if they did their children would be denied places at the best universities. No amount of contempt is insufficient for a man who can happily persecute middle England in this way and then greet them giving up their aspirations in response as a wonderful sign of egalitarianism.
I was sat in the same train carriage as Dobson last year and asked him for an interview for my local newspaper. He obviously thought the idea of him, an elected politician, giving his views to a member of the public, was a gross infringement. If I'd asked permission to castrate him he couldn't have looked more unnerved.
Posted by: Peter Cuthbertson | September 29, 2003 at 10:33 AM
Oliver,
International relations are far too complex to admit of any single, guiding rule, moral or otherwise, beyond the national interest. Would you have us declare war on Iran or Saudi Arabia?
Posted by: Guessedworker | September 29, 2003 at 04:02 PM
> Would you have us declare war on Iran or Saudi Arabia?
Let me rephrase that question: if a democratic country declares war on Saudi Arabia with a long term goal to establish democracy there you take to the streets to protest?
Posted by: Franklin | September 29, 2003 at 04:36 PM
"Do you believe we ALWAYS have a moral obligation to free the people of a prison-state from an unspeakable dictatorship?"
War with every prison-state is obviously not a practical proposition; it is in our own interest to reserve the right to break down the prison doors at a time of our own choosing. Let the dictators worry about the next "Pearl Harbour".
Posted by: warlord | September 29, 2003 at 06:51 PM
I agree with warlord. A dictator's oppression of his own people gives us the right to depose him, but not the obligation. I would certainly oppose an invasion of Saudi Arabia in which British troops were killed if I did not think it served the British national interest. It's all very well for those Saudis who survive the war if they get a better government at the end of the invasion, but why should we be the ones who have to fight and die for their good governace?
As a general rule, we should only attack a country if the gain to the British national interest of removing an enemy regime is greater than the advantage to the British national interest of keeping our own troops safe. The protection of the broader British national interest is not only sufficient justification for war - it is in my view virtually a necessary condition for it, also. If there are exceptions to this rule, they are few.
Posted by: Peter Cuthbertson | September 29, 2003 at 07:15 PM
If national interest is the essential consideration, it is also possible to look at things another way. In present circumstances, the removal of morally obnoxious regimes may very often be in the national interest, due to the the social and political effects of autocratic states on entire regions of the world.
Posted by: John Farren | September 30, 2003 at 10:30 AM
Since Frank Dobson's record is under examination, I recommend thinking back to January 1993. Four months after Black Wednesday, the December 1992 unemployment figures were due out. When released, they confounded commentators' expectations by remaining just short of the three million mark. Dobson, as opposition employment spokesman, greeted the news in the House of Commons by denouncing the figures as 'a fiddle or a freak'. In fact they proved to mark the start of the downward trend that was sustained through the rest of the decade. Schadenfreude is something most opposition politicians luxuriate in from time to time, but Dobson's frustration at being denied the prey for which he was salivating was egregious.
Posted by: Alan Peakall | September 30, 2003 at 02:55 PM